Yesterday, I picked up Randy and we went out for a little shooting. He had purchased a .22 and wanted to play around with that dispite it being a piece of junk. It hits a plate okay but we wouldn't depend on it for picking off domino squares.
I usually load up my JP Murray for hunting and it was time to unload as I've decided not do the blackpowder season this year. As predicted, it was pretty much right on the mark. I use the .570 patched round ball. I've had folks tell me to use the .575 ball but you should always use what you know will work. The next shot was with a minnie ball. I've always suspected the lead used for these were too hard and the keyhole left at 7:30 five inches from mark proofed it.
I took out the .32 Crockett rifle which is an excellant squirrel gun but missed the 2'x2' target. ????? Increased the load and fired again. Still no sign of cutting paper. Enough of that...so I went to the .54 Mississippi, but the same results. Well, that meant probably one thing and so we traversed the range. Now the range is in the woods you see, and is not exactly clear. We could see signs were the balls had hit trees that happened to be in the way. As frustrating as it was, it all part of the game. Tried one last shot with Murray and it hit pretty close to mark with another keyhole. Getting hit with a minnie is one thing, but jest, getting by an unstable one spinning end for end....that must had made you see God a minute before you died! You talk about pain!
I pulled out the 38 Conversions and we fired off a box of shells at the steel plates. The young bucko learned why you never switch hands with a cocked revolver.
For the fun of it, we took apples from the nearby tree (now on the ground) and began putting them at a close/medium distance say 15-20 yards. Here is were the fun really started. The senario was we were being attacked by a batch of bad yankee apples.
It is really hard to see when you first hit due to the smoke but there were a few times I caught glimps of exploding apples. It is even more neat when after a few seconds pieces are still falling from the air. It was about 4 o'clock when we started this phase and we had 7 apples to take care of before dark. Randy experienced a struck ball but was able to extract it being near the muzzle. He managed to get one more down the bore to fire one more before resorting to his "cap" gun. He did hit on the last shot and apple guts went everywhere.
It was touch and go for a while. I ran out of ammo for the Mississippi and resorted to my squirrel gun. It turned out both of these weapons were pretty accurate, when no trees were in the way. Frustrated with his "cap" gun, the young bucko kneels and fires. "Not very manly!" I stated and sat down to use the crossed legged elbow position. Just as I was about in position, from the stress of my extra girth and lack of exercise, the gun fired before I was finished sighting in. Too our surprise (as Miss Patti had just arrived) the bad apple was bobbing on the tree. Nothing like a bad wounded yankee apple to give you trouble! This one was really stuck on the tree. The cap gun was only making it madder! Darkness closing in, we took advantage and moved closer.
Having run out of caps for the Squirrel gun, I had to resort to the Murray. The first shot grazed it again but in defiance, it clung to the branch. The next shot made sauce of him....apple sauce that is!
After weeks of campaigning, it was good to get out and just have fun!
Now there are some who are concern about shooting live. There are inherent dangers with everything you do. The main concern is what to do about possible lead down the barrel. Most of the time the problem comes when the lead ring separates from the ball during ignition. It is usually lodged in bore according to popular belief. To counter the problem (if you want to shoot), use only patched round ball.
If you use minnie, there are still some things you can do. For the really consciencious, get two guns, for everyone else... invest in a small bore light. When cleaning, take notice of roughness with the patch going down. If there is concern that lead may be in the barrel, there are several products that will soft it up. First off clean the musket until a really clean patch comes out, then use the solvent. Signs are that if it comes out dirty after a few swipes you may have lead in the barrel. Just keep swabbing till it comes out clean. It sounds simple and it is to a extent but you may be swabbing for a few days. Some products recommend coating and leaving in for a day or so and then swab. This gives the solvent time to be absorbed and soak in, softening the leads contact with the bore. Again there is no better substitute than patched round ball to counter this problem.
Will





Sounds like fun, if a person
Sounds like fun, if a person takes care of their weapons the live fire shouldnt be a real issue, but the careful shooter and the regular guy shooter are far apart and the carefuls are greatly outnumbered, but the shooting apples souded like fun if not a little disgusting, go for rotten jack o lanterns next time!
Seamus
"it is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifing......nothing"
MacBeth
A blast!
Sounds like a blast, and it's great the boy could join you. Also sounds like you have a VERY impressive array of interesting shooters!
I shot my 1861 with lead just once, when I first got it, and now I use an 1863 replica for live-fire shooting. (I heard the 1863 described once as a "man's gun" in an old copy of the Shooter's Bible Black Powder guide, so I immediately went out looking for one!) I love shooting black power, I have several black powder rifles and pistols, and I have also taken a few novices out for flintlock firing, it seems harmless enough for folks not familiar with guns - and the flash and bang always gives a thrill!
Shooting apples sound like a great idea! I am always looking for something new to shoot at (though I would be shooting "Reb apples") - at the shooting range I found a golf ball a few weeks ago, and took a few pops with my .380 PPK, which is accurate enough to hit a little thing like that. The golf ball would go flying, and when I picked it up I could hear something rattling around inside - sure enough a bullet had found its way to the liquid core and was bouncing around in there!
I am new an shooting, love to do it, and recently entered my first postal match. It was bitter cold and windy and I didn't think I shot that well - but I was surprised that I put up a decent score, 147 (5X) out of 150 - 50 yards iron sights with an SKS. I'll be happy if I rank somewhere in the middle of the pack with that. I think there is a lot of room for improvement for me there, and feel I might have stumbled on something I have an aptitude for. My dad was a expert rifleman, although not a spectacular achievement, something he also seemed to have a bit of a knack for.
When it starts getting really cold, I get sad because it is hard to be outside for long periods of time, that and the short days limit my shooting time. Also, any old milsurp corrosive ammo tends not to fire well when it gets old - when the primers start to deteriorate you'll notice that first in the cold weather due to the increased misfires.
Well, happy shooting, and stay safe!
Never thought about using
Never thought about using apples before - good idea that I will have to try. Plus it is environment friendly too! Macintosh at 200 meters with the M1A! Come on R. Lee Ermy!
Have live fired the Enfield yet - I want to, just to see what a mini will do...
How the apples came about
That section of my property used to be part of a small orchard and so the apples were readily available in the fall. Soon however, they will be covered with snow. A bag of Mac are probably cheaper than paper targets.
We first started shooting at them in October, with a mix of weaponry. Jaime wanted to try out his Turkish Mauser. Shot a bit low for my liking and didn't seem consistant, but he did fine with it. I used my 303 enfield and Winchester 30-30.
Tom, we shoot pretty much all year long, weather permitting. I have not done a whole lot of shooting due to a multitude of reasons but the primary reason was that I had not reloaded ammo. Well I am back in the swing of reloading and shooting has commenced. Most of my guns are repro from before 1898. My favorite rifle is the 30" 1876 Winchester rifle. I put 17 rounds in it and shoot all day...er so it feels. It has superb accuracy as do most of my firearms. For pistols, I prefer the 1860 Mason-Richards conversions in 38, though I usually bring my Uberti Peacemaker in 45 Colt, along as well. I use both modern powder and the holy black. It depends on how much cleaning I want to do when I decide which to use.
We are going to try getting clays this week and see if they are any more dramatic.
Will
Clays
We are going to try getting clays this week and see if they are any more dramatic.
Clays make excellent targets - they are clearly visible at over 100 yards, and there is no doubt when you hit them. Last time I was out with them I could hit them pretty consistantly with my Mosin Nagant at about 110 yards. I have a clay thrower and I know some folks who shot at flying clays with pistols, but I think that is not a very good idea - while birdshot is spent after a few hundred yards, a pistol bullet could come down a half-mile or more away. I have, though, tried to hit flying clays with .45 cal ratshot, now there is a fruitless excercise!
I just aquired a very pretty nickle-plated Mitchell "peacemaker", the cost of the ammo for that is enough to make me want to take up handloading! I would like to get some rifles in the buffalo-era range, especially a breech-loading Sharps carbine, but I am "bought out" for now! Sounds like you have a very nice set of shootin irons!
gotta agree!
Not a great idea to put a bullet in the air not knowing where is was going to come down. I have put one or two in the air due to malfunctions with firearms. One day was panic when there was a barking dog that that went silent and a few minutes later and ambulance drove by with sirens blaring. Let the situation get the better of me as it would have taken 1/2 tops for an ambulance to react in these parts of the state. But still, it makes you very aware of what could happen if you're not careful.
I reload everything now but ocassionally will buy a box of ammo. I find my reloads are much more accurate as a rule. I use a single stange lee O press and can put out a few hundred rounds during the evening. I usually take longer these days because I am sorting brass and documenting what I am loading.
Tom, well have to get together sometime. I have a 45-70 Sharps carbine you can try out. I prefer the trapdoor but I do okay with the Sharps. I've finish reloading all my 45-70 shells last month.
Will
Definately, yes, we should.
Definately, yes, we should. Just need to find time to do all the fun things life has to offer!
Time is always the thing
I would like to do more live shooting, but never get "a round tuit"
It seems you cant find em at wall mart. one day Rod and I did some shooting at my mothers place....target: a rusted out 55 ford and for the first time we really saw what a subsonic .58 buffalo ballet could do as one went through the door and out the other door and buried itself about 8 inches into the hill behind. I dont have quite the collection of some, my .36 navy, 61' springfield, a s&w 357, 4inch barrel satin finish with the pachmeyer grips and a .45 llama. oh and a 20 guage savage side by side which I got for christmas from my father in 84. i might trade the pistols but never that gun.
im currently looking for such a trade but Id like a semi car -15. just because.....
Seamus
(lives in the hills)
banjos play here.........
"it is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifing......nothing"
MacBeth
A d-oing, doing doing doing doing doing doing!
Seamus you were without a doubt living in the wrong part of Georgia!lol It would be great if we could all get together for a day of blasting clays. Though some may be concern that this would be like a McCoy inviting a Hatfield to go deer hunting. This might make for a good kitchen conference event!
Last Will
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who took my damn hog? Seamus
who took my damn hog?
Seamus McCoy
"it is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifing......nothing"
MacBeth
oohhhh...
If you haven't shot that enfield yet your missing out. Thoughs 58cals. really do a number so certain things. hehehe.Try to give you a picture... Its got the kick of about a 20/ or 16 gage shotgun but VERY acurate for its time. but yeah its fun to vaporize apples:)
Pvt.J.Thurlow
Capt Will...
Capt Will... mind sending me an e-mail?
Thanks! Tom C.